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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">G'day Derek and All</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I have been meaning to reply to this email for some time now, but have been caught up with a number of things.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Firstly, I must concur with most of the other comments in regards that for my perspective, AG usage is increasing.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">If I may voice my opinion, I thought I would provide</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">some perspective from</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">my</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> Australian point of view</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> and also</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">from</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> QA</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">and install guide</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">perspective</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> as well.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Symbol">·<FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">A</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> point of note that occurs to me is that the AG is no longer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">considered</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">a TOY or a research experiment, rather than a tool that gets used in a production</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">environment</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">hence</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> people</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">no longer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> "play" with the technology, rather they implement and use it.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Symbol">·<FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Secondly, I know of a number of research group</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> who are funding within Australia their own Access Grids (10+ sites) for the sole purpose of research</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">, teaching and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">collaboration.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Symbol">·<FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Thirdly,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> am see</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">ing</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">n</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> increase in the number of</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">collaborative</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> teaching's</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">across</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> multiple</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">institution</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">. (Example</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> we have 2 class</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">es</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> a term for a particulate cross</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">institution</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">subject</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">.)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Symbol">·<FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I would also say that a number of site</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> no longer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">regularly</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">sit</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> in a Venue's Lobby (</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Hence</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> the possible</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">belief that people are no longer using it)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">, rather</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">they</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> are in regular session</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">, or have formed their own niche</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">or internal</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">groups</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">and have become less visible.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">A</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">imple example</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">that</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> I am seeing</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">, is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> a number of internal AG's purposely</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">build</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> for a single</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">institution.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Symbol">·<FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">On a QA perspective, I have had a number of emails</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">informing me that they are in the process of</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">building a number of sites and are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">interested</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> in the QA process.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Symbol">·<FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I have also seen institutions that have had an AG for a number of years, building additional ones, which giving the institution has had previous experience, doesn't advertise the fact.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Overall I would say the use of the AG is ever increasing, but i</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">t is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> no longer a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">global group, but rather AG users have began splitting up into their own niche group</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> for a variety of</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">purposes.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Anyway,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">that’s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> just my 2 cents worth.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Jason.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">As a side note, I think these issues are making it ever more important to have a single location for AG related topics, ie accessgrid.org. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">As the AG</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">community begins</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> to diversify and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">begin forming there own internal group</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">…</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">It is ever more</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">important</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> in my opinion</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">for a single point of contact for AG related topics.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Derek Piper [<A HREF="mailto:dcpiper@indiana.edu">mailto:dcpiper@indiana.edu</A>]<BR>
Sent: Friday, 5 January 2007 5:25 AM<BR>
To: ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov<BR>
Subject: [AG-TECH] Fading AG usage?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Hi all,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I've been part of the AG community for a while now, nearly 3 years and </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">over that time I've not seen a lot of growth in the number of sites that </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">we interface with for AccessGrid meetings. Quite oppositely I have seen </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">sites that were good AG participants fall into 'disrepair' through lack </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">of funding and site expertise.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">A bit of a devil's advocate question, but is AccessGrid usage </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">declining? Is AccessGrid on the way out? I've seen people turn to things </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">such as Polycom for meetings rather than have AccessGrid meetings.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I'm curious to learn of other points of view on this.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Derek</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">-- </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Derek Piper - dcpiper@indiana.edu - (812) 856 0111</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">IRI 323, School of Informatics</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana</FONT></SPAN></P>
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