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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here at ND, we installed an InSORS grid
system. I’ve informed all the deans, department chairs and even specific
instructors about our grid and its great uses. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>No response</span></font></u><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>. I had an open house and demonstrated its capabilities… had
about 6 people showed up and <u>one</u> of them was an instructor. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We’re going to do a University wide
mailing of a brochure showing what the AG can do as ND is moving toward being a
research University. But… I can bring the horses to the trough but I can’t
make em drink so to speak. The AG is a “nice to have” but its not
at this time a “need to have” and until that happens I’m
afraid the usage will be a novelty. We also just installed a Polycom 9004 HDX
as we are finding that A. its easy to use, B. you can collaborate easier on it,
C. more people have em. (Polycom that is) We didn’t want to have to
dedicate software engineers and other technicians to build and maintain an
actual AG node. So we went with InSORS, who did a pretty good job at setting us
up and their tech support is GREAT. But… the InSORS cube has a lot of
issues, they don’t even have a basic wiring diagram of their product…
I had to draw one and give it to em. They also don’t have a system to
integrate into a “control room” scenario. Its designed to sit in
the back of the room its being used in. The equipment is packed so tightly into
the cube that maintenance is very difficult. We’re going to pull it all
out and re-rack it. But I wish we had an AG community like <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region> does.
We need to have better demo’s and a better strategy on how we can lure
researchers to our room to use it. I never know who is giving presentations to
the AG community. There is no site that I know of that we all can go to, to see
who is presenting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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w:st="on">Los Alamos</st1:place> a few times but I have to go fishing to find
out who is presenting. IF we could know who is presenting to the AG community
at large a week or two ahead of time then I could get the word out to our
faculty here and then garner some real interest. Otherwise, its all just
point-to-point. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">owner-ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">owner-ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Bell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 16, 2007
12:02 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Derek Piper;
ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [AG-TECH] Fading AG
usage?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>G'day Derek and All</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>I have been meaning to reply to this email for some time now,
but have been caught up with a number of things.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Firstly, I must concur with most of the other comments in
regards that for my perspective, AG usage is increasing.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>If I may voice my opinion, I thought I would provide</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>some
perspective from</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>my Australian point of view
and also</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>from</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>a
QA</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>and install guide</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>perspective
as well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>A
point of note that occurs to me is that the AG is no longer</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>considered</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>a
TOY or a research experiment, rather than a tool that gets used in a production</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>environment,</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>hence
people</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>no longer "play" with the
technology, rather they implement and use it..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Secondly,
I know of a number of research groups who are funding within <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> their
own Access Grids (10+ sites) for the sole purpose of research, teaching and</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>collaboration.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thirdly,</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
am seeing an increase in the number of</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>collaborative
teaching's</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>across multiple</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>institution.
(Example, we have 2 classes a term for a particulate cross</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>institution</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>subject.)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
would also say that a number of sites no longer</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>regularly</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>sit
in a Venue's Lobby (Hence the possible</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>belief
that people are no longer using it), rather</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>they
are in regular sessions, or have formed their own niche</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>or
internal</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>groups</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and
have become less visible. </span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>A</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>simple
example</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that I am seeing, is a number of internal
AG's purposely</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>build for a single</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>institution.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>On
a QA perspective, I have had a number of emails</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>informing
me that they are in the process of</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>building a number of sites
and are</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>interested in the QA process.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
have also seen institutions that have had an AG for a number of years, building
additional ones, which giving the institution has had previous experience,
doesn't advertise the fact.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Overall I would say the use of the AG is ever increasing, but it
is no longer a</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>global group, but rather AG
users have began splitting up into their own niche groups for a variety of</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>purposes.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Anyway,</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that’s just my 2 cents
worth.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Cheers,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Jason.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>As a side note, I think these issues are making it ever more
important to have a single location for AG related topics, ie
accessgrid.org. </span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>As the AG</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>community
begins to diversify and</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>begin forming there own
internal groups… </span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>It is ever more</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>important
in my opinion</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>for a single point of
contact for AG related topics.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Derek Piper [<a href="mailto:dcpiper@indiana.edu">mailto:dcpiper@indiana.edu</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, 5 January 2007 5:25 AM<br>
To: ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov<br>
Subject: [AG-TECH] Fading AG usage?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I've been part of the AG community for a while now,
nearly 3 years and </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>over that time I've not seen a lot of growth in the number of
sites that </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>we interface with for AccessGrid meetings. Quite oppositely I
have seen </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>sites that were good AG participants fall into 'disrepair'
through lack </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>of funding and site expertise.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>A bit of a devil's advocate question, but is
AccessGrid usage </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>declining? Is AccessGrid on the way out? I've seen people turn
to things </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>such as Polycom for meetings rather than have AccessGrid
meetings.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I'm curious to learn of other points of view on
this.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Derek</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>-- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>Derek Piper - dcpiper@indiana.edu - (812) 856 0111</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'>IRI 323, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Informatics</st1:PlaceName></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Indiana</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType>, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Bloomington</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Indiana</st1:State></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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