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<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Natalia,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>[We
don't tend to use the NCSA scheduler. We used to use
the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Argonne one and now usually use the UK one at Manchester.
At</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>our
site we have MS Outlook as the corporate diary system.]</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Whichever scheduler you use, to the best of my
knowledge</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>there is no elegant way of handling bookings - the
various</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>schedulers don't even talk to each other! The UK
eScience</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>centres, which formed the core of the original crop of AG
sites</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>in
the UK, had an informal attempt to get each site to set up
an</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>email address of the form </FONT><A
href="mailto:accessgrid@xyz.ac.uk"><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS">accessgrid@xyz.ac.uk</FONT></A><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>which would</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>get
booking requests to the AG ops at each site. Most
sites</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>set
those up. Where AGoping was spread over several
people,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>the
idea was that that function email address caused the message</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>to
go to all of them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>The
duty AG op would then take the details from the e-mail and</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>book the required resources (node, operator, etc..) using
their</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>local system and confirm the booking back to the
originator</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>when everything was booked.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>With the growing number of nodes per site, the situation
is</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>becoming similar to our situation with video
conferencing:<BR>nine rooms each with dedicated VC equipment means that
it</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>is
the operator who needs to allocate a room according to the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>requirements (e.g. number of local attendees,
geographical</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>centre of mass of local attendees) rather than any
automatic</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>system. The same is likely to happen with AG bookings,
IMHO.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>The
fact that many AG nodes are also used for non-AG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>purposes reinforces the need for human
discretion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>It
would be great if there could be a move towards a more</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>unified approach, and I believe there has been some
work</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>funded by UKERNA (the UK academic network
organization)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>towards this end, but I haven't seen the results from
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>That was aimed at VC events and how to integrate
booking</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>of
MCUs and suchlike, but most of the problems are either</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>the
same or isomorphic to UKERNA's requirements.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840225313-07022005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Chris</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<BR><I><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=4>Chris
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov
[mailto:owner-ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Natalia Costas
Lago<BR><B>Sent:</B> 07 February 2005 12:12<BR><B>To:</B>
ag-tech<BR><B>Subject:</B> [AG-TECH] internal booking
systems<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everybody,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We wonder how u all manage ur own internal
booking systems with ncsa ag scheduler. Is there any way to book automatically
to both systems at the same time?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanx in advance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kind regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Natalia.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>