[AG-TECH] creating a venue

Ivan R. Judson judson at mcs.anl.gov
Tue Mar 9 13:36:19 CST 2004 

Hey Randy, would you mind putting those on the wiki or emailing them to
ag-tech?

That'd be cool.

--Ivan 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov 
> [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Randy Groves
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> 
> This all sort of depends on what platform you're running the 
> venue server on.  I'm guessing that since you also want to 
> run a BridgeServer, you're talking about Linux.  I've hacked 
> up a couple of startup scripts in the RH9 vein (not perfect, 
> but they work) that will allow you to have the venue server 
> and bridge server startup automatically when the server boots.
> 
> You can always use VNC (for GUI) or SSH to access a remote 
> venue server. 
> And you can run VNC inside an SSH tunnel for security.
> 
> As far as Windows - VNC works as well, but with XP, I just 
> use the Remote Desktop.
> 
> -randy
> 
> At 10:37 AM 3/9/2004, Ronald Crummett wrote:
> >Exciting stuff.  Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it.
> >
> >I like the idea of running the venue server ourselves, but 
> it raises a 
> >couple of other questions.
> >
> >The AQC that I am doing this for is located in Hagerman, ID. 
>  I am in 
> >Boise, about 90 minutes up the road.  The folks in Hagerman are all 
> >"fish people" and don't have any IT staff that I know of.  On that 
> >note, it seems to me like it would be good for me to run the venue 
> >server from Boise, so that in the event of something going wrong I 
> >could fix it without spending three hours round-trip on the 
> road - and 
> >having more ready access to any needed resources.
> >
> >On the other hand, I have more to do than babysit a computer 
> all the time.
> >I don't know how much effort goes into maintaining a venue server.  
> >Does it need to be running all the time?
> >
> >Bottom line, I want to create the venue, but I am going to 
> be the one 
> >who maintains it for them.  I need to make sure it is 
> functional, but 
> >they are the ones who will be using it, and we are a fair distance 
> >apart for "running down and checking on things."  What do 
> you think - 
> >should the server be located on-site in Hagerman, or should 
> I maintain it in Boise?
> >
> >Maybe I'm getting off track here.  I hope that my concerns 
> make sense.  
> >I would love to hear from you all on this.  Thanks so much!
> >
> >-Ron Crummett
> >
> >
> >>From: "Ivan R. Judson" <judson at mcs.anl.gov>
> >>Reply-To: <judson at mcs.anl.gov>
> >>To: <ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov>
> >>CC: "'Jennifer Teig von Hoffman'" <jtvh at bu.edu>,   "'Ronald 
> Crummett'" 
> >><ron_crummett at hotmail.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> >>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:21:30 -0600
> >>
> >>
> >>I'd like to voice support for Jennifer's point, we would 
> love to have 
> >>folks run venue servers for themselves. Perhaps someone 
> would create a 
> >>wiki page listing venue servers that are out there so we can trot 
> >>around from server to server :-).
> >>
> >>We will continue to host venues for folks who can't (or don't want 
> >>to), but if you need a venue please send email to 
> ag-mcs at mcs.anl.gov 
> >>with a name and description. Sending email to Bob is a sure 
> fire way 
> >>to cause grief for everyone. He does have a life outside of 
> the AG and 
> >>sending requests to ag-mcs makes it possible for whoever is 
> available to respond to the request.
> >>(This is the same reason certificate requests no longer go 
> to Ti, they 
> >>go to the group :-).
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>--Ivan
> >>
> >>Btw, there is also good news for all you waiting to get 
> institutional 
> >>venues on the ag2 server, but I'll let Tom send that email!
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> >> > [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
> Teig von 
> >> > Hoffman
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:06 AM
> >> > To: Ronald Crummett
> >> > Cc: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> >> > Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> >> >
> >> > My personal bias would be to set up your own AG2 venue 
> server and 
> >> > associated Bridge Server. Having your own server gives 
> you control 
> >> > not only over your own bridge, but also the option of access 
> >> > control lists for meetings. Plus if you end up in a 
> situation where 
> >> > you have to work around firewalls, you've got more 
> control over the 
> >> > addresses in use.
> >> >
> >> > A couple documents which might help (both from the AG2 web site):
> >> >
> >> > Virtual Venue Management
> >> > http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/documentati
> >>on/VENUE_MANAGEMENT_MANUAL_HTML/VenueManagementManualHTML.htm
> >> >
> >> > How to run a Bridge Server
> >> > http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/documentati
> >> > on/BridgeServer-HowTo/BridgeServer-HOWTO.htm
> >> >
> >> > - Jennifer
> >> >
> >> > Michael Daw wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Both solutions should work. Using QuickBridge (QB) will
> >> > mean you have
> >> > > full control of the server. Using VRVS means you will be
> >> > accessing one
> >> > > of two servers based in the US, controlled by their hosts
> >> > and the VRVS
> >> > > support team. Using VRVS, sites will only be able to access a 
> >> > > small subset of the venues (the original ones, i.e. Full Sail,
> >> > Bridgeport,
> >> > > etc.), which you ought to book before using.
> >> > >
> >> > > As to creating your own institutional venue, I think the only
> >> > > (undocumented) way is to e-mail Bob Olson 
> (olson at mcs.anl.gov) and 
> >> > > request one - he is on this list, but he might appreciate a
> >> > direct e-mail request.
> >> > >
> >> > > --Mike
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>-----Original Message-----
> >> > >>From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov 
> >> > >>[mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On
> >> > >>Behalf Of Ronald Crummett
> >> > >>Sent: 09 March 2004 01:26
> >> > >>To: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> >> > >>Subject: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Hello -
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Another day, another question.  I think you will all be so
> >> > sad when I
> >> > >>get this all figured out and don't ask questions anymore... ; )
> >> > >>
> >> > >>I have mentioned previously the project I am working 
> on for the 
> >> > >>University of Idaho Aquacultural Center (AQC), located 
> near Twin 
> >> > >>Falls, ID.  The project has become a little more
> >> > complicated in that
> >> > >>the people at the AQC would like to connect to several
> >> > remote areas,
> >> > >>namely Indian reservations in the Pacific Northwest.  I do
> >> > not know if
> >> > >>these reservations will have multicast-enabled Internet
> >> > access or not,
> >> > >>which I have learned
> >> > >>(painfully)
> >> > >>is pretty important.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>I have two solutions that I am considering:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>1.  The Aquacultural Center sets up a quickbridge by which the 
> >> > >>reservations can connect to AccessGrid.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>2.  The reservations connect to AccessGrid using VRVS.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>I don't know which solution I should favor over the other,
> >> > and why.
> >> > >>But I believe that either solution will require creation of a 
> >> > >>venue specific to the U of I AQC.  So the first, and I believe 
> >> > >>most important, question is
> >> > >>this:  how do I create such a venue?  I have had a hard
> >> > time finding
> >> > >>any documentation on the subject on the AccessGrid web
> >> > page, though I
> >> > >>am sure I need to look a little more.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>The second question regards the two proposed 
> solutions.  I would 
> >> > >>greatly appreciate your feedback on the two solutions and any 
> >> > >>tradeoffs that may come about.  Thanks so much!
> >> > >>
> >> > >>-Ron Crummett
> >> > >>
> >> > 
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