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<DIV><SPAN class=126545502-03102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Jay,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126545502-03102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126545502-03102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
open mash tools bring up the video windows all muted so you can traverse venues
without getting swamped. They start out grey which may be what you were
seeing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126545502-03102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126545502-03102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have
been using them on my W2k laptop with no trouble at all. I even stuck on an old
Intel USB camera and it worked right away.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126545502-03102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Terry</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-ag-dev@mcs.anl.gov
[mailto:owner-ag-dev@mcs.anl.gov]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ivan R.
Judson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:21 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Jay
Beavers'<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Todd Needham'; 'Michael E. Papka'; 'Ag-Dev@Mcs. Anl.
Gov'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Drop me links to the AG 2.0 specs after the
presentation please<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=164011402-03102002>Hey
Jay,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002>Thanks for the feedback already. I need to read
over the WS-Security spec, I know it's been in flux lately, but I need to get
more familiar with it. Maybe while I'm home after the baby comes tomorrow
(shyeah).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=164011402-03102002>We
do have this general problem of thinking of ACE/ACL's and enforcement
infrastructure, which i think is rich for work. We do have to leverage
Globus for our security, but I know Globus has done some work on SASL
integration. Has Passport done anything to be a SASL option? If
so, we could consider targeting SASL abstracting the actual security
implementation out of the infrastructure (which might benefit everyone).
I'll read up on SASL to see if this makes more or less
sense.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=164011402-03102002>We
haven't specified SQL schemas yet since that assumes a SQL database as a web
service backend. I'd be happy if we get interfaces concretely defined in
WSDL, leveraging data types defined by XML Schemas. Those map directly
to SQL data structures with .Net but also leave us the option of other
implementations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=164011402-03102002>Can
you remind me of where the WSDL descriptions of the components you developed
are?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=164011402-03102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=164011402-03102002>--Ivan</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jay Beavers
[mailto:jbeavers@microsoft.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 01, 2002
1:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> judson@mcs.anl.gov<BR><B>Cc:</B> Todd Needham; Michael
E. Papka<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Drop me links to the AG 2.0 specs after the
presentation please<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some thoughts for
you:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Authentication
/ Authorization</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Have you looked at
the WS-Security specification? It provides for attaching X.509
certificates to SOAP messages and signing the messages. In reviewing
the Globus Toolkit 2.0’s security model, it seemed that WS-Security would be
a great way of using Globus certificates with web service calls. The
“Web Services Development Kit” has a preview implementation of WS-Security
for .NET You can download the <A
href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?URL=/downloads/sample.asp?url=/MSDN-FILES/027/001/997/msdncompositedoc.xml">WSDK
Preview</A>. See <A
href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwssecur/html/wssecwithwsdk.asphttp://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwssecur/html/wssecwithwsdk.asp">Using
WS_Security with the WSDK</A> for an example with source code of how to use
the WSDK to sign and authenticate a web service call using X.509 v3
certificates.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Unfortunately, the
WSDK still doesn’t have ACL/ACE functionality for authorizing users’ access
to objects. I’m prototyping a couple of classes that basically mirror
the ACL/ACE/group design from VMS/NT for an unrelated project if you’re
interested in collaborating in this area. The idea is to have a
generic “authorization” object that you can “attach” to an object, set the
ACL, serialize the ACL for easy storage, and perform authorization
checks.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">SQL
Schemas</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I didn’t see any
details on web service interfaces of SQL schema in the discussions.
I’d like to talk at this level so that we can get interoperability
going. I’ve done a first pass at SQL schema synchronization with
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Shawn
Davis</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> and I think I
should be AG Venue Server functionality compatible with my next venue server
release. I’d love to be in a position where we (MSR) release a subset
of functionality and both ANL and NCSA are able to add on functionality to
the same server by adding additional functionality on top of the same data
store.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Web
Service Interfaces</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’d like to
synchronize on web service interfaces too. I’ve provided you guys with
our WSDL and source for the web service calls used by CXP. I’d like to
get feedback and to synchronize these as well, probably following the same
pattern as above where we provide a subset of functionality but that subset
is 100% compatible.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I look forward to
talking more after the retreat.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> -
jcb</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ivan R.
Judson [mailto:judson@mcs.anl.gov] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, September 30, 2002 7:57
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Jay
Beavers<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Todd Needham;
'Michael E. Papka'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
RE: Drop me links to the AG 2.0 specs after the presentation
please</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey
Dude,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don't
worry about it; sometimes that happens.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.mcs.anl.gov/fl/events/agtech/">http://www.mcs.anl.gov/fl/events/agtech/</A></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">These
aren't as detailed as I'd like, but they are a start. We'll see if things
work tomorrow :-)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Ivan</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Jay
Beavers [mailto:jbeavers@microsoft.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, September 30, 2002
10:16 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Judson@MCS.anl.gov<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
Todd Needham<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Drop me links to the AG 2.0 specs after the presentation
please</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry I couldn’t
join you this morn Ivan. Seems technical difficulties were to be the
order of the day.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was unable to
use OpenMash instead of ddvic to enable sending of my video. If I
switched from ddvic to OpenMash, all video windows came in as blank
grey.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was unable to
send audio from rat. It would see the signal locally, but my send
indicators stayed grey instead of green.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was unable to
connect to the DPPT server. Don’t ask me why, I don’t
know.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So if you could,
please drop me the PPT links later. I’ll take a look at them and
send feedback via email.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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jcb</SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>